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"america's newsroom." we'll see you back here tomorrow, same time, same channel. bill: where were you yesterday, mid-afternoon, during a jaw dropping verdict, outrage across the country, and this burning question: will we ever know what happened to two-year-old caylee anthony? casey anthony, overcome with emotion, various emotion, after the jury read the verdict, not guilty, on the most serious charges and now a judge will decide whether or not casey walks free after three years behind bars. good morning, everybody, likely, you do remember when you heard the news, and the headline. i'm bill hemmer, welcome to "america's newsroom". how you doing? >> alisyn: doing well, that's all anybody was talking about. i'm alisyn camarota in for martha maccallum. casey's parents walked out of the courtroom, some say
sending a loud disapproval, but them saying that she believed from the beginning she was innocent. >> casey did not murder caylee. it's that simple. you cannot convict someone until they've had their day in court. >> this is a lesson to those of you who have indulged in media assassination for three years. bill: phil keating has been our man outside the courthouse in orlando, florida. phil, good morning down there. how likely is it that casey anthony walks free this week? >> reporter: it's certainly possible. it's in the realm of possibility that judge belvin perry, jr., tomorrow convenes the sentencing hearing of casey anthony and says time served is good enough, you've been in jail for the most part of three years, you can walk free, but more likely, she'll probably serve another year or two in the orange county jail before she's finally let free, because the 412 days that she was sentenced are eating up most of that three years in jail for
casey anthony, those were for six counts of check fraud, so we'll see what the judge does. but prosecutors certainly thought that they had plenty of evidence, it was all circumstantial, but they had the crime scene evidence, caylee's remains in the woods found with duct tape, matching that at their home, they had the testimony of the stench of human decomposition around casey's car, but it's possible that the defense raised the idea of the accidental drowning in the pool to a threshold high enough that that's what this jury found to be reasonable doubt. they clearly did find reasonable doubt on these very serious murder charges. but yesterday, the day began with casey anthony facing a possible sentence of death, and instead, four counts of lying to cops, each carrying a maximum term of one year. bill: you talked to a lot of people down there, phil. do you get a sense that casey anthony got away with murder? >> reporter: there is certainly that question being asked, not only here in orlando, but all around
the country. particularly here in orlando, this case has been in the news, basically every single day for the past three years, everyone has an continue. -- opinion. that's why they had to go get the jury from 100 miles away from here. there was plenty of tears and emotion in the courtroom yesterday, as that stunning and shocking verdict came in. the big question, though, is for the prosecution team, what did they do potentially wrong here, because they were certainly very confident in their case. here is lamar lawson. >> we're disappointed with the verdict today and surprised, because we know the facts, and we put in absolutely every piece of evidence that existed. our attorney did an exemplary job. i'm proud of them and i stand by their work. i never, ever criticize a jury. theirs is the task of deciding what to believe. >> reporter: the prosecutor also said that what really hampered the case was the frequent that
-- fact that the decomposition, the six months it took to find caylee's remains, really hampered the prosecution because they lost so much crime scene evidence, fingerprints, perhaps they may have found on the duct tape and the laundry bag, phil. -- bill. bill: fel keating, thank you. alisyn has more. alisyn: we need to talk more about these jurors. they left immediately after the reading. remember this was after six weeks of being sequestered and finish of -- none of them wanted to talk about their momentous decision. >> the 12 jurors have declined to talk to you. there are no jurors interested in speaking to any members of the media. alisyn: so who was on this jury? we know there were seven women and five men who made up the jury. their ages, live li hoods and backgrounds ran the gamut and we're learning more about their de facto leader, the foreman, juror number 11, and he spoke on behalf of his below jurors. we don't know his name but he's in his early 30s and
we're told he's a high school physical education teacher, he moved to florida eight years ago from fitsberg, pennsylvania, he's not -- from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. he's not a father but is an uncle can two nieces. bill: and the question is, when do they go public. george and cindy anthony were more than spectators throughout this trial, both took the stand multiple time deflecting accusations from the defense. after they got up here and walked out of court, the family issued the following statement through one of their attorneys, quote, despite the baseless defense chosen by casey anthony, the family believes that the jury made a fair decision, based on the evidence presented, the testimony presented, the scientific information presented, and the rule that were given to them by the honorable judge perry to guide them, end quote. more on that statement later. alisyn: we watch this trial for almost two months as every day, people lined up outside the courthouse for a coveted seat to watch the
trial first stand. now that we have a verdict, many of those people are expressing anger and outrage and shock at the decision that they waited so long to hear: >> you don't know people, but you know, we're all connected in some way orioo in some way or another. >> i never once here came here thinking she would get justice and i feel we have an obligation to be peer and be -- here and at the site. >> i don't understand how you have a child one moment, the next moment, that child ends up at the end -- ends up at then of your road. >> i don't think she'll northbound the neighborhood. so many angry people. so many angry people. it would be dangerous. alisyn: some trial watchers were also surprised that after weeks of court, the jury never asked any questions during their deliberations, or asked to review any of the witness testimony. bill: they had some of that evidence back in the jury room but they did not come forward, as you point out there. as soon as the case was over, we find this out now, that the casey anthony trial will be the last foret
veteran prosecutor jeff ashton, he announced he will officially retire tomorrow from the state attorney's office in florida. now, he told colleagues this before the verdict was read. ashton has spent more than 30 years as a prosecutor, as the first in the country to use dna evidence in a case. wow, the first one. ashton said this is a great case to end on because it was, quote, so fascinating and so complex. he predicts, though, we will never know what happens to two-year-old caylee anthony. we shall see. alisyn: so how much did this murder trial cost taxpayers? well, before the trial began, court officials estimated that it would cost the court system more than $361,000. the bulk of that money was used to house, feed, and transport the sequestered jurors for six whole weeks. bill: so what do you think? do you agree with the casey anthony verdict? foxnews.com, we are asking that question. and we want to know what you think. so far, almost 200,000
people have weighed in. more than 70 percent say they think she got away with murder. 16 percent say the prosecution did not prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. about 11 percent are not sure. two hundred thousand. alisyn: in less than 24 hours. bill: well less than 24 hours, you consider the verdict came out yesterday afternoon, so the lines are still open, as we say online, at foxnews.com. alisyn: we're going to be exploring all of this throughout the morning. but meanwhile, on to politics. mitt romney today, far from the dsw halls and small diners of new hampshire, the presidential candidate hoping to raise big bucks in, of all places, london. that would be england. this comes as romney's campaign announced a massive hall of $18.25 million from the last quarter, eclipsing the gop field. senior foreign affairs correspondent amy kellogg live from london. great to see you. so how unusual is it for a candidate to be looking for
donations from overseas? >> reporter: alisyn, it is a bit early, but frankly, this whole tradition of crossing the pond to pass the hat is relatively new. that didn't start until rudy giuliani came over here in 2007. so mitt romney's trip is even by those standards a bit early. republican and democratic candidates come as early as the fall in the year before an election year. this is the summer. so it is a bit early, but part of it is not just raising money. it's kind of burnishing foreign policy credentials. we remember president obama came over here in 2008 in the summer, visited berlin, just trying to make his appearance on the world stage. now, romney, for his part, who has been on a fundraising roll, as you mentioned, back at home, is expected to raise as much as $875,000 here. london, of course, it's one of the banking centers of the world and president obama raised by most reports
at least $3.3 million here during the campaign in 2008, john mccain raised a bit less, $500,000, but the hopes of romney supporters, alisyn, pins on the prospect of him being able to turn the economy around, a lot in the banking sector here will be wondering whether or not america can be a financial leader going forward. alisyn: yeah, absolutely. he certainly looks like he's having a good time over there across the pond as they say. amy kellogg, thank you very much. bill the british pound. it's all green somewhere, right? who knew. a couple of stories we're watching in "america's newsroom". so much to come this morning, as well as those tens negotiations -- tense negotiations over that mountain of debt, 14 trillion plus, and republicans say enough is enough: >> every year, they look at this problem and it's like they look up at the mountain, they see how tall it is and how steep it is and decide nah, we're going to kick the can down the road another year. bill: that was john boehner,
apparently president obama agrees. what the white house says it will do to bring down that big, giant number. alisyn: watch what happens when a massive dust storm rolls through a major u.s. city. >> looked like we were riding this wave of sand and we're the last plane in, and we were just going oh my god, we're going to make it, and we just barely made it.
tourists misses -- missing in the sea of cortez, the tourists were anboat that capsized after the coast of the baja peninsula, one american is confirmed dead. passengers and crew members were thrown into the water when the boat was tossed about during a violent storm. the families of those missing say they're not giving up hope. >> we want to find out, you know -- until they find them, brian and the rest of the -- our members -- >> it's not just find them, but find everybody, please. alisyn: the coast guard says there is a chance that the missing passengers could be clinging to debris in warmer, calmer waters. >> i think there's a growing group of republican senators and house members that actually are willing to increase the debt ceiling as long as we fix the problem. i've been very disappointed this president has not led on this issue at all.
he's just been gone. he's been awol on this issue. bill: with criticism like that, president obama answering back, and house and senate leaders go back to the white house this week to see what they can agree on, the president urging both sides to do something big at the moment. >> we need to take on spending in domestic programs, in defense programs, in entitlement programs, and we need to take on spending in the tax code. spending on certain tax breaks and ducks for the wealthiest of americans. this will require both parties to get out of our comfort zones, and both parties to agree on real compromise. bill: that was late yesterday afternoon. dana perino is white house press secretary under president george bush and also a fox news contributor. good morning to you. welcome back from africa. >> thank you! bill: that was kind of cool! now let's talk about this whole mess down there. what's the republican expectation at this white house meeting? >> well, you can understand their confusion, because
president obama has had shifting positions on tax cuts, tax extensions, spending, medicare tax cuts, also, even just two weeks ago, signaled that he was willing to have a smaller deal, now yesterday he comes out and wants a bigger deal. i think there are two reasons for that. one is i believe that the white house is starting to see they won't agree with us in public but i do think that they're starting to see that republicans were gaining the upper hand in the debate and if they had a mini deal and president obama had to keep fighting this fight every three or four-months it was not going to work in their favor. bill: it would be a deteriorating factor when you look at the reelection in 2012 but six months ago, president obama kind of reversed himself when it came to the whole tax issue. what did he say then? >> for a long time, he even campaigned as president when he was senator obama and before he became president, campaigned against the bush tax cuts, the evil bush tax cuts. then, in november 2010, midterm elections happened, he got his self-described shellacking, losing a number of seats in the congress,
two-months later in the lame duck session, or a month later, he signs an extension of the bush tax cuts and says the reason i'm doing this is because a smaller tax burden allows companies to grow more jobs. four-months later, now he's wanting to raise taxes again. so i think that the republicans look at tomorrow's meeting as a chance for president obama to finally lay all of his cards on the table and let us know exactly what his position is and policy is so that the republicans can go forward and the democrats, kind of sitting on the fence wondering what's happening here. bill: he ticked off the left when he made that decision in january and february, six months ago, and also, republicans have said they wanted to draw the president in on this negotiation, and show his cards in the first place. so apparently, that will happen to a degree. two major points in this, though. john boehner has already told the president, apparently he met with him on sunday at the white house, that he has to understand that tax increases will not pass the house. >> right. so that's -- and so boehner is laying his cards on the table. he says i can't even pass t.
and boehner would never -- i don't think boehner has ever voted for a tax increase. now, if president obama had said broader scale, corporate tax rate lowering, bigger tax reform to close some of these loopholes you might get some republicans to support that. >> you think so? >> but it would have to be big and serious and i think this little small ball is not serious and i is what is chipping away at credibility for republicans and democrats but certainly hurting the white house which is why they called for some summit. i don't understand why this has to be a summit. why can't this be a meeting? >> john cornyn, republican senator, talked about this mini deal that you just mentioned to get us over the hump for now, then you relitigate everything during the 2012 campaign. president obama has said i don't share that view. >> no, because why would president obama want to have a debate about raising taxing which he has said he's willing to do, why would you want to do that closer to your reelection, especially if you're facing
an unemployment rate over 8 percent and just said a lower tax burden would help create jobs? i wouldn't want that position going into a campaign. bill: many think this will come to the 11th hour. >> probably. bull bill dana, nice to see you, welcome home. >> thank you for having me. alisyn: we have breaking news. just into "america's newsroom", a major development in the alleged gun running operation across the u.s.-mexico border, operation fast and furious, of course, is a story we've been tracking since it first broke. we have those breaking details in three minutes. plus a tower and cloud of dust slams a major city. look at this. this is some 50 miles wide, causing all sorts of problems. maria molina is going to be here on what caused this massive dustup. bill: remarkable pictures, right? >> will casey anthony walk free tomorrow? judge alex on the penalty casey could face and we hear from a juror about why he thinks she should be set free. >> i thought they made the
the hour now, stories developing in america's news, a boston area high school football charge facing charges for murdering his ex-girlfriend, lauren asley's body went missing and the two were head to go college in the fall. minnesota state government continues its shutdown, democrat and republican leaders deadlocked over how to fill a billion dollars budget gap, the governor pushing for an independent commission to end the stalemate. we'll see if that works. prince william and his wife kate welcomed by adoring fans in canada's northwest territory as the
royal couple leaves canada on friday for a three-day visit in the state of california. twenty-four past. al lin. alisyn: we have to tell you about this fox news weather alert because a fast moving massive wall of dust has slammed into the phoenix area and what a site it is. wait until you see this, the cloud of dust, 50 miles wide, some 10,000 feet high and bringing visibility down to practically zero, knocking out power for thousands of people, and if you think that this wall of dust looks scary from where you're sitting, imagine being on one of the last planes landing. >> it's like we were riding this wean of sand and we were the last plane in and we were going oh my god, are we going to make it and we barely made it, then the wall hit us when the plane came to the gate. >> we flew alongside it, south mountain, them cak around and literally it was chasing behind us and we landed and it was crazy. we saw the plane, the -- it was like -- they landed and took off again. it was pretty amazing. alisyn: flights at phoenix's
airport grounded for at least an hour, meteorologist maria molina in the fox weather center. what causes this? >> reporter: actually, not that uncommon across parts of the four corners, anywhere that there's a desert, this can happen. yesterday on this show we actually talked about how we're headed into a monsoon season in the southwestern portion of the u.s. you start to see the showers and thunderstorms forming across the region, that's what happened yesterday across this area, so we had showers and storms during the evening hours, some of these thunderstorms pick up air and then once it starts to rain, the air comes splashing down and actually picks up some of that dust and sand across the region, form thank wall of dust. again, this was yesterday during the evening hours, we had these showers and storms and just about 8:00 p.m., it hit the phoenix area, that airport did report a wind gust of 53 miles per hour when this thing hit and then again, that sand just lingering across the region. it took several hours for visibility to pick back up and for the flights to resume across the phoenix
area. now, what is exactly the sand storm? it's actually called a habub, so this is the arabic word meaning winged and it happens across portions of the world, kuwait, iraq, and sahara desert, and created by the collapse of a thunderstorm and that on average can travel between 20-30 miles per hour, alisyn. alisyn: maria, those pictures are incredible. thank you for explaining that to us. bill: sure are. never see something like that. alisyn: in a plane, that would be a white knuckle experience. bill: maybe we find another airport, what do you say guys? >> outrage and disbeef in casey anthony's murder trial, what one of the alternate jurors is saying about that very verdict this morning. wait until you hear that. alisyn: one of the country's legendary mob bosses faces the music today. we go live to the courthouse for you. bill: first during the commercial break, go to dox news -- foxnews.com and click on the most read tab and see what stories -- which stories are clicking today. we're three minutes away in "america's newsroom" here.
alisyn: fox news alert. we have breaking news on that controversial u.s. gun running program known as fast and furious, sources now sharing with fox news some bombshell details. fox news' william la jeunesse is live in los angeles. what do we know william? >> reporter: well, alisyn, we've been talking for months now that the alcohol, tobacco and firearms explosives agency was involved in this botched operation that sent guns to mexico. well now we're learning that it wasn't just the atf but other government agencies were involved, and, in fact, taxpayer money was likely used to buy these guns that were sent to mexico, and in fact, the guy who sent them there was actually an fbi-paid confidential informant. let's go with the director of the atf, his name is ken nelson, acting director, you can see him right here, now, he was scheduled to talk to congressional investigators
next week, and to speak to the inspector general on thursday. however, in a secret meeting, on july 4th, the holiday, nelson, with his personal attorney, went in and spoke to congressman darrell issa and senator charles grassley and basically revealed this. let's go to the full screen. he said that atf leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled by the department of justice, and while the doj sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand, that approach according to issa distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation. issa has been attempting as you know to get reames of documents out of the department of justice which is claiming that -- and he subpoenaed those, and they're knoll giving them to him, so now you have the atf director confirming the suspicions of investigators, that doj is covering up a botched operation through the doj, which runs the alcohol, tobacco and firearms. alisyn: what about those other agency that is you
just referred to, what was their involvement? >> reporter: well, that's the remarkable thing that we're learning over the past 24 hours. okay, so the dea has a wire tap, and in this wire tap, it's revealed that a guy is wanting to buy guns. let's go to the graphic here and i think this will help show what is happening. so this guy in the middle, who is the wire tap drug dealer, the middle man, he puts in contact the guy who wants to buy the guns, the buy who wants to buy the guns is the fbi informant. he is now talking to the straw buyers, he's ordering the guns, if you will, to go into these gun stores and buy the guns. the atf is trying to do this investigation, unbee knownst to these investigators over a period of 18 months, the guy they want is actually an fbi informant, an fbi informant who they want for counterterrorism information, the point being in all of this is that the atf had no idea that the guy that they want, who is
actually on the payroll of the -- was on the payroll of the u.s. government. alisyn: my goodness, what a mess this is. we'll see what those investigations reveal. bill: former moss on mob boss james whitey bulger will face a judge in boston, massachusetts, at that point he'll be formally charged with 19 pounds of murder, the feds capturing the elusive alleged killer about a month ago after he spent 16 years on the run, and where was he hiding out? santa monica, california. on the beach. molly line is outside u.s. district court in boston. nineteen murders. who are the alleged victims here molly? >> reporter: well, prosecutors allege that his victims really ran the gamut, that while he was running the irish mafia in boston in the '70s, '80s, '90, he killed will and men, ex-girlfriends of his associates -- associates were killed, or help to go cover up a killing with his associate, rival gangster, people in his own association were killed if
he thought they night be enveloping on on him. one of the murders were conducted if he received information that someone was going to give information on him, so he may have been trying to stop that from happening andby stander, people in boston at the wrong place at the wrong time, so a tremendous amount of grieving going on, today, 30 years later, as some of the killings remain unsolved as the trial just began to get started bill. bill: there is an argument over what this trial is going to cost, the price tag of prosecuting him. why has it been so contentious? >> reporter: well, you know, prosecutors tried to convince the judge that perhaps whitey bulger's family members, including william bulger, head of the state senate in massachusetts for many years and went on to become the president of umass for a while, should ship in for some of the cost, the taxpayers shouldn't bear the burden, and a few weeks ago he took a chopper ride from
jail to the federal courthouse and depending upon whose estimate you ask, it costs either $1500 or nearly up to 14,000. so people are just a little miffed this is going to cost a considerable amount of money and today his defense attorney is expected to ask for a little help in this case due to higher -- to hire additional attorneys, so there's quite a contentious matter concerning how much this is going to cost massachusetts and the federal taxpayers. bill: when there are headlines, we'll talk to you, okay? molly line, thank you very much. >> thanks so much. bill: you bet. alisyn: back, of course, to the fallout from this verdict. will casey anthony walk out of court tomorrow a free woman? that could happen, of course. she is facing up to one year of each guilty count of lie to go police. bus since she's already served three years in jail the judge could let her go tomorrow from the possibility of death. casey could now walk away in just a matter of hours. judge alice ferrere is host
of judge alice, great to see you this morning. >> good to see you, too, alisyn. alisyn: we now have a window into what these jurors were thinking because one of the alternate jurors has begun talking. none of the 12 official jurors are talking, but one of the alternates named russell hupler is talking, and he says a couple of fascinating things. i believe we have a sound bite from his appearance on neil cavuto yesterday. let's listen and have you comment afterwards: >> big question why the prosecution could not answer, how did caylee die and that was a big factor in a lot of our decisions. it also showed that something with george anthony, casey's father, he was definitely hiding something. >> one thing that the prosecution failed to do was they did not show motive. what would have driven a reasonably good mother to do such an action, and they could not -- i don't think
they ever overcame that. alisyn: judge alex, they did not show motive? what about all of those photos that we saw over and over again of her partying and drinking and living, you know, la bella vita? >> here's the problem. the problem is the prosecution usually can't show motive. the only way to show motive is if a defendant admits what motivated them or it's so, so clear from the evidence. you can't crawl into a defendant's mind and the prosecution, because of the fifth amendment, can't call the defendant to the stand and say you know, why you did this, you killed her, didn't you, and you wanted to do it for this reason and cross-examine them. so motive is not an element of the crime. also, how the person was killed is not an element of the crime. think of the situations where like a husband kills his wife and dumps her body in the ocean and it's never found, you can still circumstantially he killed his wife. you'll never prove how because you don't know if it was a gun shot, poisoning, strangulation, whatever. the comment about george, we think he was involved in some way, it just shows
speculation. none are elements of the crime. they were successful in putting in their mind, if you have doubts, that's reasonable doubt and that's the law, if you're confused about the elements of the crime, is she dead and did her mother kill her, if you're confused about those, you have a reasonable doubt. everything else is something you'd like to know but is not necessary for a conviction. alisyn: judge alex, how do you explain, given all that that you've laid out so articulately, how do you explain the conclusion that the jurors reached of not guilty? >> they clearly did not understand reasonable doubt. i can't blame them for that to be honest with you because reasonable doubt is a concept that lawyers struggle with. i used to explain it to jurors and they used to get it but my explanation would take two minutes that you don't have, however, people usually think reasonable doubt is if i have a doubt about anything, then that's a reasonable doubt. you can force yourself to doubt, you can imagine anything in the world, and those doubts are not reasonable, and that's where i think this jury missed the boat. alisyn: one other interesting thing, this alt mat juror said that struck
us, he occasionally uses the point we instead of i. the instructions, jurors were not supposed to be talking to each other before deliberations and certainly not the alternate jurors because they were supposed to be in a different room, yet there are some reports that this juror was seen speaking to juror number 11 in the courtroom. is there anything the judge could or should have done about that? >> well, if they're not supposed to speak about -- they're not supposed to speak about the facts of the case. they're allowed to speak to each other about all kinds of things but not the facts of the case. i'm certainly not going to malign the fact that he said we thought. he may have been talking about the other jurors, he may not have been talking about the entire jury. i would be speculating. i wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it would be harsh to do that, this this -- that this juror was -- it's water under the bridge. alisyn: absolutely. one other thing that he said that obviously struck
everyone is that he seems to believe and i guess the other jurors did as well that this was the scenario, laid out by the defense, that many saw as outlandish when it was first laid out, this this was an accidental drowning of caylee, it was then covered up. it seems as though the defense did a great job of spin thank scenario. >> well, i mean, the prosecutors will tell you a lot of times when the jurors go into the jury room they lose their common sense and sometimes i see it as jurors sometimes want to be the ones who solve it. it's kind of like a myselfry on television, we get so much of those where all of the sudden at the end it jumps out at you and jurors may have that mentality in this case where they want to be the ones who find that missing piece, oh, it's george, he did something, i don't know what it was but he was involved in some way, because there's no other reason to justify giving that response, and i've seen it in those cases. had a husband who shot a wife in the back, the witnessed i.d.ed him, they
walked him and when prosecutors said why, they said we think there was more to it than what we saw in court. complete, total speculation. alisyn: incredible. judge alex, thank you very much for coming on with your perspectively, really fascinating. >> a pleasure, thank you. bill: we're going to talk to keith ablow who says the verdict makes sense. he's going to explain that coming up here. also a terrorist with ties to al-qaeda. he's been brought to the u.s. to face a judge today. why there is outrage over a planned trial in civilian courts in new york city. alisyn: and gooring up to the end of an era, the last shuttle mission ever, set to blast off on friday. why that could have a far reaching impact on a critical battle ground state in 2012.
alisyn: a pilot and his passenger surviving this crash after their small plane loses power before slamming nose down into the ground near a house, setting off a fire that spread to a parked car. the family living in the house, grateful that they are okay. >> it's unbelievable how lucky we feel -- all of us. >> we heard a boom and my
son in the bedroom at this end of the house came running down the hallway and we ran outside and saw the plane, see the van,o saw my car on fire. very lucky. god was looking over us. yeah. yeah. aal very lucky indeed. no one on the ground was hurt, and miraculously, the pilot and passenger were treated for only minor injuries. >> bill: across the country people are trying to figure out the verdict for casey anthony, some furious flat out that she could walk out of court tomorrow a free woman, others say the state overreached, but dr. keith ablow says the not guilty verdict actually makes sense. he's my guest and a member of the fox news medical a team, good morning to you. >> good morning bill. bill: we've gone round and round on this for three times in 24 hours of you and me. you write this at foxnews.com: casey anthony was found not guilty of murder which makes good sense. >> correct. bill: how? >> because to the extent that the state's case relied
upon it being inexplicable why a young woman in the aftermath of her daughter going missing would go out and party, would be up all hours of the night, would be having some kind of sexual relationship with a male, these things are explainable by things other than having murdered your daughter. bill: before you go, you're a psychiatrist, you're not an attorney. >> correct. bill: in law, they built this case based on circumstantial evidence. >> yes. bill: which is all they had. >> that's right. and that big piece of the circumstantial evidence, from a forensic, psychiatric standpoint, just doesn't hold water, because bill, i treated people who in the setting of grief, literally come to believe, for instance, believe it or not, really, not even in a legal setting, that their other children have been replaced by masquerading doubles, they believe it to the core of their begs, a complete delusion, so could somebody become manic, go out and party, be unable to sleep, drink up a storm and
overspend? sure. >> bill bill so you think this is her reaction to the grief she was feeling? about her daughter who is now no longer with her. >> i'm not saying that it was, but i'm saying before you send somebody potentially to death for killing her daughter, a juror would have to entertain the possibility that it could be a reaction. and so you can't take that as evidence that she killed anybody. bill: now, on the screen, this is part of what the family said yesterday, okay? despite the baseless defense chosen by casey anthony -- this is an attorney who works for her parents -- the baseless defense chosen by casey anthony, the family believes that the jury made a fair decision based on the evidence presented and the rules that were given them by the honorable judge perry to guide them. they found her guilty on four counts of lying to police. help me figure this out. she allowed and likely assisted her own attorneys to make jurors believe that her own mother and father had a hand in the drowning of her child, with no proof
other than a life vest on the body of her child and a picture of her mom in the foreground. she allowed her attorneys and likely assistants to present her as a victim of child abuse at the hands of her father and likely her own brother, again, with no proof. is that grief? >> that either makes her a kind of pathological liar or it makes her somebody who suffered years of secual abuse, whose alliances and allegiances are very scattered, and who in the setting of this, her trial, which could take her life, finally said you know what, i'm nobody's fool here. he did this to me, perhaps he did it to my daughter, i'm done with this family. bill: it is remarkable. this is your line of work, though, right? and you're saying you have treated patients who sometimes can think as
twisted and demented or as confused as she is today? >> absolutely. listen, if it were true that this man were sexually assaulting her from age eight, it's very possible she would in jail continue to say you know what, i'm going to protect him because i'm his chosen female in the world, not my mom, we're together. bill: back to this statement. despite the baseless defense chose been by casey anthony, that right there explains to many people why her parents got up and walked out of the room. fascinating stuff, keith, thank you for coming. >> complicated. bill: thanks, you can read more about the theory, the thoughts, foxnews.com. >> all right, thanks. alisyn: fascinating discussion. meanwhile, the big battle over our nation's debt, the democrats pointing at corporate fat cats with their private jets and yachts, but what about entitlement programs? karl rove is here to weigh in. bill: also this is not what you want, alia. gaping hole ripping into the plane's body only minutes after takeoff. the dramatic exchange between the pilot and
bill: now for the first time we're hearing a dramatic exchange between a pilot and air traffic control after a scare in the air, tbhak april a. flight from phoenix to sacramento started out like any other but minutes after takeoff a 6-foot hole ripped open in the fuselage and the pilot realized he could not make it back to phoenix. listen here: >> require an emergency vehicle, we lost the cabin. >> apparently we got a hold of the fuselage at the back of the airplane. >> probably ought to turn around and go back to phoenix. we'll get back to you. how far are you away right now? >> your 3:00 position, and the five, zero miles. >> going to yum that, could
miss fiend i. bill: we'll take yuma for a thousand, alex! the plane landed safely, everybody on board was okay. pilot, well done! >> alisyn: an oil spill in one of america's most precious waterways could be spreading to other states. montana governor brian schweitzer saying he believes that oil from the pipeline has traveled hundreds of miles into neighboring north dakota. fox's alicia acuna is live in denver. what is exxonmobil saying about the governor's claim? >> reporter: exxon-mobil is saying at this point it cannot confirm that the oil has traveled as far downstream as north dakota. also, though, the president of the company nibl li -- initially said of the damage area, it was 10 miles long, then after backlash from the state of montana, residents adjusted that to about 25 miles. right now both exxon-mobil and the montana governor are asking properties downstream to look for any site of oil.
schweitzer toured it yesterday. he pointed out that as a soil scientist he has a keen understanding of this, he also told reporters he's going to keep the pressure on all involved. >> while the epa is here and they're helping and exxon-mobil, they don't actually have the same interests in mind as the state of montana. we will make sure as the state of montana that none of these people leave this job until the yellowstone river and wildlife are made whole. >> reporter: the epa has scheduled a community meeting tonight to answer questions of residence. alisyn. >> alisyn: alicia, what do we know about when that gushing pipeline was sealed off? >> reporter: we got a little more information on this late last night. initially, exxon-mobil said that on friday, when the pipeline burst, they were able to seal it off after about 30 minutes. well it turned out according to the department of transportation it was closer to an hour and in that time, 42,000-gallons of crude
spilled into the yellowstone river, and exxonmobil pipeline spokesperson didn't tenth, state thank the president, gary prusling, was speaking out notes when he originally told the governor it was gushing for about half an hour. alisyn: always so hard to look at these pictures. thank you for the update. bill: now we're learning that he was grilled for months and now a terror suspect arrives in new york city, unannounced, for a civilian trial. is this a new statgy from the justice department on how to deal with terror suspects? fox news, first with this story. we have the latest details for you this morning on that. alisyn: the casey anthony verdict, sparking an emotional response from the american public. geraldo rivera joins us with his reaction to this explosive tv moment, last night on the o'reilly factor: >> the record is conclusive, this was a good mother. you see the video. you see the -- >> bull. a good mother? the trial is -- >> go to a wet body contest
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happened. a brand new hour of "america's newsroom." good morning to you, i'm bill hemmer. martha is working a little later today. alisyn: that's right. and i'm alisyn camerota in for martha. the burning questions that remain, will casey anthony walk out of court free and her -- at her sentencing tomorrow and will we ever know what happened to caylee anthony? geraldo spoke to the one person who says he can call himself caylee's dad. that of course is her former... >> if casey anthony didn't kill caylee, who did and who is that he baby's father, jesse? >> the second question, i don't really have an answer to. >> isn't that amazing, no one has an answer or probed who the baby's daddy is. >> sadly, i'm the only one who can call myself father to caylee. >> i agree. and the second question, if she didn't do it, who did? >> i think it is obvious, the last person to see caylee alive was casey and -- >> why do you say obvious. >> all the evidence points to that. in regards to who killed caylee?
i still believe that casey was the last one to see her alive and, then, that beautiful, precious little girl is all of a sudden in a garbage bag dumped in a swamp, how did we get from point a to point b. bill: good question, geraldo is live outside the courtroom, who is that young man? >> he was casey anthony's fiancee, and he was the de facto stepdad of the tragic toddler. he was the one who spent most time with her during that, you know, the first year or more of her life. and in every regard was probably the least tainted member of that nuclear family. bill: he went on to say how dysfunctional they were in every corner of that house, also. you interviewed jose baez. and we talked about this late yesterday when we did a special program. at 5:00, in the afternoon. and your first question was, the best one, geraldo. you said, who killed the child?
and he dodged it. he never gave you an answer. he almost made it seem like, all the evidence presented in court, proves, proves that she was innocent. or not guilty. what do you think of that response? >> well, you know, their presentation was, at first i was annoyed that it was evasive, bill, but, then, when you consider what the role of jose baez is, he's the advocate for casey anthony. he made it clear in their presentation, that their theory of what happened, or their presentation of what happened, was that it was not murder and the child did not die by anyone's agency, the child died by going into the swimming pool, with a ladder that was left up, the child loved tho swim, had a picture of the child opening the door and climbing the swimming pool ladder and the testimony of the mom, they also had the contemporaneous police report
that the ladder which was usually removed, as a safety precaution was left up and... bill: and the picture -- >> the child drowned by accident. bill: the pictures of the daughter in the pool, she had a life vest on and they were responsible and taking care of her. it was obvious. you are an attorney. are we at the point where jurors need a digital camera or jpeg image in order to find guilt? >> you know, i understand and hear it in your voice, bill, and i heard it in my wife erika's voice, she said they were at summer camp with our child, yesterday, and the mother started crying when the verdict came in. and, they are so hurt by the verdict. but, you have to understand that this is not about emotion. this is not about casey anthony partying on orange avenue. this is not about her lifestyle. this is about the evidence in a capital murder case. the state of florida, sought to kill casey anthony, because casey anthony allegedly killed
her daughter. once they raised the stakes, to old testament levels, for god's sake, it was about the evidence in the minds of the jury. and they said, there is no dna, there is no finger prints. the state -- why would they use -- why did she use duct tape to smother the child. why not a pillow? why use chloroform to render a toddler unconscious? we have toddlers, they sleep 12 hours a day. you don't need render them unconscious. bill: let's examine what the defense did at the opening of the trial, 36 days ago. and we had countless legal experts come on our program, and say the defense attorney, jose baez really set the bar high and threw so many theories out in his opening statement. but, in closing argument, not one of those theories was proven. now, you throw that all out the window? jurors go into the box in the room, they start discussing this, he said all of this stuff and, and in the end, none of it
came true? >> the thing about opening statements is they are not evidence. johnnie cochran in the -- one of the other two dayscases, o.j. simpson was outrageous and michael jackson was... bill: make the case that he did. >> my point is, because it's not argument, you can say anything. johnnie cochran said he'd bring in an alibi witness for o.j. simpson and the alibi witness never showed up and was never mentioned again. jurors saw through that. juror number 14, the one who has been interviewed said they discounted that notion of george anthony's being complicit in the crime in the cover-up, and the notion of her being sexually abused. and, went strictly on what the state proved. this accused did or did not do. and, the jurors according to juror number 14 looked at the evidence and said, wait a second. you know, the smell of death... what about the 7 people who didn't smell anything? the heart-shaped sticker that
was suddenly invisible and no one could find it again and when they found it, it was in a garbage heap 30 feet from where the broken body of the toddler was? it is proving -- it is proving it. that is what -- you know why we have a constitution? why we have a 5th amendment? we have a constitution and a 5th amendment to protect unpopular people. it is easy to protect popular people. but, when there are hateful, and innocent or at least the state has not proven their guilt, they have a constitutional right to an acquittal under these circumstances, however disgusted you and erika and everybody else might be. all i am is the messenger. i'm a lawyer, i'm just trying to tell you it, like it is. and, saying, everybody, cool their jets. you know, it could happen to anybody... bill: in the meantime, the two-year-old child is dead and not coming back. geraldo, thank you, my best to your wife, erika. she's a sweet woman and a very
intelligent one at that, too. >> yes. as opposed to her husband, right, i get it. bill: see you later. kidding. alisyn: geraldo has been predicting this outcome, actually, all this time, when everybody else said she was guilty. and meanwhile, attorney jose baez drew the most attention and he was not the only member of the anthony defense team, the attorney mason reacting to the not guilty verdict, criticizing the media coverage and legal experts who he says convicted casey in the public eye. >> i can tell you that my colleagues from coast-to-coast and border to border condemned the whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about casey, and they don't know a damn thing about it and, don't have the experience to back up their words. or the law to do it. now, you have learned a lesson. alisyn: and prosecutors responding to the verdict, talking about their defeat. but, praising their team, despite it. >> we are disappointed with the
verdict today and surprised. because we know the facts and we put in absolutely every piece of evidence that existed. our team did an exemplary job. i'm proud of them and i stand by their work. i never, ever criticize a jury. theirs is the task of deciding what to believe. reasonable doubt as to each and every element in a case, especially, a case like this, which is the to prove, with no smoking gun and a tiny victim, who is reduced by time and elements, skeletal remains, those remains lacking in any chemical evidence to be broad forward, this was a dry-bones case. very, very difficult to prove. alisyn: now prosecutors and the ec lowal sheriffs department are calling for calm across the region. they are asking people to control whatever outrage they have about the verdict, more on the public's reaction, just ahead. bill: a "fox news alert," right now, this is breaking with the
u.s. government issuing a tern warning to airlines -- stern warning to airlines around the world. there is chatter terrorists are considering surgically implanting bombs into the human body to carry out an attack. officials saying there is no specific plot in place and, the strategy is not new, but they say there is fresh interest, in attempting such an attack. it is crossing, right now. we are working more on that, out of washington in a moment. alisyn: and we have new details for you on a story first reported by fox, the second somali terrorist with ties to al qaeda, making his first appearance before a u.s. judge today. after being secretly interrogated on a navy ship, near africa for two months and now, outrage over plans to try him, here in civilian court. national correspondent catherine herridge, live in washington, with the details. what do we know, catherine. >> reporter: good morning, according to the indictment, the suspect is accused of providing material support to the al qaeda affiliates in yemen and somalia and both of these groups have been highly successful in recruiting american citizens,
among them, omar hamammi, who is now the public face for al qaeda in somalia, and anwar al-awlaki who is now considered an operational planner for al qaeda in yemen and that group was behind the last two major plots against the u.s. and fox news has confirmed law enforcement recovered a laptop, hard drive, two thumb drives and a memory card when they captured him, and is exploited for further intelligence, alisyn. alisyn: all right, catherine, thank you so much for that important update. bill: we are hearing the leading cause from democrats, kill the tax breaks on the corporate jets, sitting in your driveway and the problem is federal bean counters say it would not make a dent in the debt and carl rove on what would really close the gap, he's live. alisyn: and the end of an era for american exploration in the final frontier. what happens to florida after atlantis latches the space shuttle program into history books. governor rick scott will join us
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alisyn: we're $14 trillion in debt. and, democrats are hammering republicans over tax breaks to wealthy americans. you'll remember the president proposed closing tax loopholes to people with private jets, and subsidies for big oil. well, now the senate majority leader is echoing those plans. >> why? big oil companies, corporate jets, to protect millionaires an billionaires, from paying their fair share. the top 1%, republicans are determined to protect. alisyn: but, those breaks are pennies, compared to what is really needed to bring down the debt. karl rove, the deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush, also a fox news contributor. hi, karl. >> hey, alisyn, how are you? alisyn: doing well, let me put up for our viewers, the actual dollars and cents of what we'd
save if we closed some of those tax loopholes for corporate jets, and, oil companies. so, corporate jets are $300 million, a year. in tax loopholes and oil companies, if they didn't get the subsidies, would save $4 billion. obviously, that is chump change, so, the democrats are clearly using this as a symbol of how fat cats are living high on the hog at the expense of poor people. do you think that that is working with the american people? >> well, class warfare works but only to a certain degree. look, the president, six times during the news conference last week talked about the accelerated depreciation for corporate jets and it was supported in his stimulus package, and i mean, the president was for the tax break, before he was against the tax break but you are right. this is a side show. what the administration is really focusing in is on two things. one is, in essence, phasing out
the value of deductions for people making $200,000 or more as an individual and $250,000 or more as a couple and 2/3 nissan affected by this are really small businesses. and, so, this would have a dill deleterious effect, and, the other is a end of last in, first out, an accounting measure used by small businesses that allows them to sort of, in essence, lower the cost of their inventory, for tax purposes and again would have a big impact on small businesses, but, would have a -- as much as $400 billion, this and the other change on deductions, $400 billion, in revenue over the next ten years, and a huge impact on small business. alisyn: let's talk about where the real big money is, where the real government expenditures are and that, is entitlements. and, let's puts up a full screen, how much those cost every year. start with social security. there. $700 billion, by the way, that is per year.
medicare, $451 billion, per year, medicaid, $272 billion per year. so, why does the president seem reluctant to make those the centerpiece of some kind of reform? >> well, because i think he is more focused on his re-election than upon the fiscal health of the country. look, i think every expert, republican, democrat, liberal, moderate, conservative will admit if you want to put the fiscal house in order, you have to do something about enticements, over the course of decades, not overnight, to put america's fiscal house in order and for the president to be standing there at the news conference talking about a $3 billion provision over the next ten years, corporate jets, shows the lack of seriousness on the part of the president, at least in his public demeanor and i hope privately, behind the scenes he's actually doing the job we sent him there to do and paying attention to the big spending items and not the sort of phony tax cuts, i mean, tax
increases and these really phony spending cuts, he's talking about. for example, my understanding is they've offered up a trillion dollars in savings from the defense budget by in essence saying, we will save money we would otherwise be spending in iraq, or afghanistan, by maintaining our current level of troops for the next ten years and nobody believes we'll maintain the current level of troops we have in iraq, or afghanistan, for the next ten years, so, this is phony savings, as is the claimed half trillion dollars in interest savings by not spending the trillions we weren't going to spend otherwise. alisyn: there are reports, obviously, the president invited congressional leaders, democratic and republicans, to the white house tomorrow and there are also reports out yesterday, "the new york times," that the white house has agreed to cut in entitlements. and, sounds like there may be progress, and, room to open the debate? >> there could be, but the question about the entitlement cuts is, are they real? are they likely to be realized and are they sooner rather than later? the president, we need to be on
a glide path but for example the president offered, again, from my discussions with people who are knowledgeable about these discussions, between the white house and the congress, is they've offered a trillion dollars worth of domestic spending cuts, but don't start until 2014, and, in the view of those who looked at the offer, the administration, they are unlikely to be realized. so, we have to have real spending cuts, that begin sooner rather than later. because, the president certainly is talking about tax increases, and i mean, that is the only thing, ephemeral spending cuts and real tax increases is not a good recipe for the fiscal health of the country, we'll see what happens at the meeting tomorrow at the white house, karl rove, thanks for your expertise. bill: the true picture of unemployment, the under employed and why having a job may not be enough in america today an mitt romney, sure raising cash, ali. will the one with the biggest bank account win the day in 2012? here's part of the mitt romney's pitch. >> i spent 25 years of my life
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>> is the case against dsk dead, prosecutors are set to meet with defense lawyers for the former head of the imf, dominique strauss-khan, who was accused of sexually assaulting a hotel maid in new york city and today the team will push to have the charges dropped. prosecution rethinking whether they can go forward with the cases. after learning the accuser was not honest about her background. though they still believe her accounts of the incident is true. bill: now to the most urgent issue for millions of americans and that is a job.
the latest weekly unemployment numbers showing nearly 430,000 americans joined the ranks of the jobless, but, that is only part of the massive story, there are millions of americans under employed. john roberts, defines that out of atlanta. john, good morning. >> reporter: good morning to you, bill. it is the new reality of the american workforce, millions of well-educated professionals who were laid off, forced to take low paying, sometimes multiple survival jobs, just to pay the bills and they are called the under employed. but some of them are finding solutions. in a heartbeat, steven went from a promising career in insurance giant aig to the unemployment line. >> the main thing when i lost my job, you just feel helpless. >> reporter: he drifted through a number of survival jobs to make ends meet and one point, selling cotton candy at turner field. >> not what someone wants to grow up to do for their career. >> reporter: he defines the term, under employed, working
jobs far below his capabilities. >> and, that will be $25... >> reporter: now he sells pop sickles on the streets of atlanta. and here's the twist. >> thank you. >> reporter: he owns the company. >> i thought that i had what it takes to be an entrepreneur, but i definitely didn't know. >> reporter: he thought it would be easier to create a job than find one and started a door may pop sickle company, that is absolutely taking off. >> pop sickles! the best ever! >> i was in a situation where i was is not happy with what i was doing and i kind of knew it was the right time for it. >> reporter: he completely reinvented himself. and he's not the only one. the guy cutting up bananas, that is his brother, nick, who quit his job as a county prosecutor, to join in. >> i went to a lot of schooling to get where i was with the legal education and everything, but, i think that education and my previous experience all helps in this business as well. >> reporter: the company is still tiny, but getting bigger
every day. a real lesson in how adversity can sometimes breed big dreams. >> find out what you want to do and don't be satisfied where you are. don't have your own feelings hurt and, just kind of keep trucking along and going for what you think is what you should be doing. >> reporter: he found a way out but millions more are stuck in the ruts of under employment and it is difficult to know how many there are, because they do have jobs. as close as gallup figures, 1 in 5 americans and even that doesn't tell the story. bill: is must be a frustrating life, you get a college degree and go into the job america and there is little there for you. john roberts, reporting live in atlanta on the under employed in america. thanks. ali? alisyn: one of your favorite stories, the counts down to lift off is on. the shuttle atlantis is scheduled to blast off, this week. could that final flight end up being a campaign issue in 2012? bill: good question. we'll find out and also, casey
bill: 1030 time time in no, developing in "america's newsroom", a new study on healthy diets suggests that eating less salt does not reduce risk of death or heart disease, british researchers need more data to confirm those findings, so hold off just yet! jury selection begins in the perjury trial of the pitching great roger clemens, accused of lie to go congress about using steroids during a hearing, about three years ago. and canada canada gins its withdraw of troops from afghanistan, they say they will take on a supportive role in training afghan security forces in that war.
>> as to the charge of first degree murder, verdict as to count one, we the jury find the defendant not guilty, so say we all, dated at orlando, orange county, florida, on this fifth day of july, 2011. alisyn: americans coast to coast were glued to the casey anthony trial since day one and now many are outraged that she could walk out of court tomorrow a free woman, with no answers to who killed two-year-old caylee. >> partially, that was hard to hear, just because nobody won. caylee is still gone. >> i don't think she'll be back in the neighborhood. too many angry people. too many angry people. to me it would be dangerous. alisyn: judge jenin pirro, host of justice with judge jeannine is live outside the courthouse. explain to us, you've been
in the courtroom for so much of the trial, explain what the reaction was you saw inside and outside the courtroom yesterday. >> you know, i have to tell you, alisyn, when that knock comes on the door with any jury having made a decision, everyone's heart drops. but yesterday was a particularly shocking day. i think everybody got that count one, not guilty, okay, but count two, count three, everything related to the death of this child, other than the lying by the defendant, which was caught on videotape, was a shocker, pure and simple. at the end of the day, though, the jury makes the decision, they believe the prosecution didn't reach that standard of beyond a reasonable doubt. but we are left here saying what happened to a two-year-old who was thrown away like garbage in a coffin of garbage bag, and left to rot. it's really a sad commentary. alisyn: not just outside the courtroom but on southerly media across the country, across the world, on twitter, on facebook, you
heard all of this outrage from everybody at the jury's decision. so help us square, if you can, because you were in the courtroom, why the jurors didn't feel that outrage, that so many millions of other people did. >> you know, it's a great question, alisyn, and we'll never know what goes through the minds of a jury. but i can tell you this, we are now living in a csi generation, where jurors expect to see the gotcha moment, they want the dna, they want the fingerprints, they want the scientific proof, and it ignores the reality that in so many cases, from the beginning of our criminal justice system, in this country, there is only circumstantial evidence, and that is a bedrock of our justice system. this jury is saying, and i think the message is clear, that unless you've got a videotape, unless you've got dna or fingerprints, then there can be no murder. there is no eyewitness. and you know, it's almost as though saying if you commit the perfect crime you can get away with it.
look, don't leave your common sense at the jury room door. what happened? who had the motives, the means, the opportunity, who partied like a rock star after she was gone? and no one, alisyn, has answered the question did this child die in the pool? there was no evidence of it in that courtroom, none whatsoever, there was no evidence of sexual abuse, none whatsoever, so it was almost as though smoke and mirrors, maybe this happened, maybe the martians threw her in the swamp, but i got to tell you, as someone who's tried these homicides and as a judge, i was stunned. alisyn: i'm sure you were. i remember talking to you yesterday about what we thought was going to happen. not only, though, is this a csi culture that we're living in, we're also living in a culture where what often happens after these cases with the defendant is great notoriety, they, then, can have a reality show, they can write a book, they become famous. what do you think is next
for casey anthony? >> i think you hit the nail on the head alisyn. i think she'll have some kind of a book deal, she'll get paid for interviews, she may even have a reality show. and it's a sad commentary on our society. this case is about what happened to an innocent child whose life was taken from her. this case is about victims who fall quietly off the radar screen every day. at least in this case, the prosecution did the best that they could, the jury didn't believe that they reached their burden, but i'm not so sure that any of us will ever know what happened, and in the meantime, casey anthony will continue to rock and party like a rock star. and i'm not quite sure that little caylee looking down much appreciates any of this. alisyn: and last, we do have a little insight into what casey says she wants to do next from the jailhouse letters that were found. she shared that she wants to
immediately get pregnant and have another child. so on that note, judge, i will leave you. i know your jaw is dropping, as is everyone's today. thank you. >> the mother of the year wants to have another child. alisyn: indeed. we shall soon see what happens tomorrow with sentencing. judge jeannine pirro, thank you very much, catch the judge on justice with jea -- with judge aeannine on fox. >> bill it's going to be quite a week. nasa is gearing up for the final launch of the space shuttle program, atlantis scheduled to blast off friday morning. after 135 missions in 30 years on the space coast of florida, everything comes to a close later in july, and there was a real fear about florida's economy. the governor is rick scott, he's been on this issue for some time. governor, good morning, welcome back. >> good morning, bill. bill: welcome back to "america's newsroom". what's this going to cost your state, governor? >> well, it's clearly a fed
thing -- clearly we're going to lose jobs out of it. we're going to turn lemons into lemonade, the computer technician, the engineers, and we're going to build up the companies. as you know, embraire is coming in and their going to build jets there, we have other companies coming in. i was in canada doing a trade mission and a lot of companies in the aerospace industry want to come down and expand there. we've got a big aviation industry in florida and it's going to expand. bill i hope you're right about that. i'm reading 8000 people will be unemployed later this month. can you make up 8000 jobs? >> well, you know, it's work for that area and we've had a great year. our unemployment has dropped every month since i became governor in january from 12 percent to 10.6, we generate 77,000 jobs, number two to texas. i'm always competing with governor perry in texas. in may we generated 20,000
jobs and the country generated 4000. it's what i do every day, i call on companies and there's a significant interest in the space coast because of the talent we have there, because of what nasa has done. bill: i hope they stay and don't leave. bref arrested county has an unemployment rate of 10.8%, that's above the national average right now. >> absolutely. there's two ways to look at t the negative is we have unemployment, the positive thing is things are headed the right direction. people want to live in florida, they want to work in florida. there's a lot of talent there, a lot of engineers, a lot of technicians, computer technician, they're going to get jobs and build jobs in florida. bill: you're saying today you think you can make this up. >>ry are -- we are going to make it up. we're going to work every day. i call on companies every day about coming to florida, and in particular, the space coast. we put a lot of effort, we have a whole focus in our economic development effort into the space coast, and we're going to have an impact. bill: how did they receive your phone call? how did they react on the other line?
>> oh gosh, you know, here's what people like. first of on, they like our weather, they like our beaches, we don't have a personal income tax, phasing out the business tax, they know we're going to -- we're doing well with technology, with exports, and so people are very receptive to coming here. bill: well, private sector jobs is what you're banking on. we'll see how well it goes. governor, thank you. it's something we're going to watch all week, okay? and they're coming in the fronts and years after that. we have special coverage of the launch of atlantis on friday, shepard smith is live in florida, we will have it for you here on the fox news channel come friday. it's the end of an era for nasa and what a successful era it's been. alisyn: a brutal beating caught on tape, why this mob attacked, where this happened, and why it has locals worried. >> you'll find that like a tuesday night, at 11, midnight, it's still active here.
alisyn: vicious attack caught on video in chicago's boys town area. take a look: you're looking at amateur video here this, happened sunday night, and as you can see, a group of nearly a dozen young men brutally beating a 25-year-old man on the sidewalk. the victim was stabbed during the attack, and
police say the man was taken to a nearby hospital and later released. this is the third attack in three weeks in that area. no arrests so far. but police are investigating >> bill at 9:00 a.m. eastern time, thursday morning, casey anthony will be sentenced on the four counts of lying to police. there is a chance tomorrow she will walk free. judge andrew napolitano, fox news judicial analyst and host of fb inform's freedom watch, take us through this. good morning to you. >> good morning, bill. bill: a former judge yourself, relying on your expertise for this. in a florida law, four counts could equal four years total. >> right. bill: she's been in jail almost three years already. does she leave tomorrow as a free woman? >> i think she probably does. the standard of time served versus time sentenced is between 75 and 85 percent, so she's already -- if she were to be sentenced to the
maximum, which would be four consecutive years, she has already served nearly 75 percent of that. but the rule of thumb, when a series of lies is told, is to come packet that as if it were one lie, so the rule of thumb would be one year here, even if a judge wanted to give her the four, i think he'll probably sentence her to time served, and literally, let her walk out of the courtroom. bill: by 10bg a.m. tomorrow, she could be processed and be a free woman. >> and be a free woman, yes. where she goes, what she does with her life, whether she becomes some sort of celebrity of some sort, whether she makes money on a book, she can do whatever she wants. i don't think she should stay in that area because she's enormity lousy -- enormously unpopular. bill: but the judge can say you lied to police -- >> this is the crime, by the way, bill, the stay version of it, for which martha stewart was convicted and spent five years in jail.
this is lying in an ordinary conversation with police before they told you you were a suspect. i'm not condones what she did, but i'm suggesting that three years in jail is actually more than what people normally serve who are convicted. bill: believe it or not, this case is not over, there will be drama tomorrow morning. >> the case is not over. for a variety of reasons there will be drama because the government could even decide perhaps some people who testified in the trial like her parents did not testify truthfully ando truthfully and it may want to pursue them. i don't think they will because they've spent so much money on this case and did not get a result satisfying to them. bill: wow. so a couple of things here. let's back up a little bit. we've had more than 200,000 viewers vote online at foxnews.com on our poll. >> right. bill: deciding whether or not they agree or disagree with the jury's verdict. >> i don't know what the result is but i can guess. bill: 70 percent saying the jurors got it wrong. you believe, though, that
the prosecutors overreached, they overcharged, they went for too much. >> yes. bill: why? >> why did they do it? because when there is a highly publicized case with a very hateful defendant and an extremely sympathetic victim, the prosecutors advance the perception of justice, they advance justice, and they advance their careers by charging that defendant with the strongest crime that they can. bill: you think that was a career interest? >> i think it was a career interest and a pr interest. >> bill: really? >> i do. in florida the prosecutors are popularly elected as are the judges, so they have their eye on where they're going to go after this. in reality, though, it's dangerous. the intersection of law and politics. decisions as to what to charge a person with, decisions as to whom should be charged, are essentially unreviewable and the prosecutors should make their charges on the basis of what they can prove, not what they want to prove, but what the evidence proves. bill: what should they have
sought as opposed to a capital case? >> easy for me to say this now because i have hindsight. they should not have sought to have her executed. they shouldn't have even charged her with first degree murder. they probably should have charged her with what is generally known as aggravated manslaughter, behavior so reckless and indifferent -- >> bill: but even that charge would be aggravated murder, jurors did not go after that, either. >> because the prosecutors did not emphasize it. the prosecutors asked the jury to overreach. if they had concentrated on a lower level crime, instead of this woman walking free tomorrow, because the government couldn't prove its case, she'd be exposed to 15-20 years in jail. now, we have a constitution, we have a constitution to protect people, especially unpopular, especially unsympathetic, especially those that the mob thinks are guilty, and here the constitution worked. bill: now you're tweeting about -- >> it is better for a thousand guilty people to go
free than one innocent to be punished. >> not voltaire -- not hemmer, napolitano, but voltaire! >> bill: watch the judge on "freedom watch", # pakistan eastern time. alisyn: let's check in with jon scott for what's coming up on "happening now. jon: thank you, a massive dust cloud swallows a major u.s. city, crippling travel, knocking out power. what's behind this monster storm? plus a frightening new warning for u.s. airlines, terrorists, having trouble getting people to carry bombs outside the body, might try to put them inside a body to take down a jetliner. and imagine living to be more than 100 years old. how about living to be 1000? researchers say that reality is actually closer than you might think. we'll see you at the top of the hour. alisyn. alisyn: good stuff, jon, thank you very much. well, he's leading all republican candidates in the polls and the pocketbook.
bill: we have dramatic videotape of a severe rain storm trap ago man under a bridge, check it out in las vegas, a homeless man, holding on for dear life over an overpass, crews tethered him to a safety line and life vest and guided him to dry land. national weather service says that storm dropped nearly an inch of rain, more than twice the previous record.
eye opening new numbers in the republican race for the white house. former governor mitt romney pulling way ahead of this field in fundraising, his war chest through just june, this has just been announced this morning, has grown to more than $18 million. that is ten times more than the number two spot occupied by ron paul who raked in 4 1/2 million dollars. will this race come down to who has the most cash? chief political correspondent carl cameron is live in washington. we understand that romney is even raising money outside of the country. what's up with that. >> reporter: he's got a cushion so he might as well use it. it's always the case that whoever has the most money wins but it definitely helps there's been lots of self-funding candidates who have not won the nomination or the presidency. mitt romney is doing well, 18.25 is three times what the other rivals come close to and that's not all he
has. he in fact that independently wealthy millionaire who could put up his own money but he's the only candidate who has the benefit of an independent outside group raising money for him, an additional $12 million raised in the first six months by folks working on his behalf. but it is an outside organization. romney last night was in his vacation home town of wolfborough for a town hall meeting where he scolded democrats for suggesting to voters that they need to be more patient in a sluggish economy. listen to this. >> what people in america are told, things are getting better, hold on, things could be worse. that goes down with famous lines like let them eat cake >> reporter: well, he may be doing fish and chips today, because he'll be in london fundraising, a $2500 a ticket fundraising event for american citizens living overseas. this is not an uncommon occurrence but generally speaking it's when somebody wins the presidential nomination that we go raise
money. romney could bank another million dollars for this, and he'll likely meet with some london conservative party officials, as well as folks from the u.k. this will be a combination of dealing with readers, as well as raising money alisyn. alisyn: while romney is in london, other gop contenders are hitting iowa. should romney be there strategically? >> he's not exactly skipping iowa, you know. he's campaigning there. he'll take part in a debate. he won't take part in the straw poll, but today, there are three candidates who desperately need to get attention in iowa, all campaigning there. pennsylvania former u.s. senator rick santorum has three event necessary iowa, he has been essentially trying to hit the pedal there as hard as he can. difficult time raising money and not really registering in the polls particularly. ron paul has announced he and his son, senator rand paul, will spend ten days campaigning in iowa in the next few weeks and tim pawlenty is really putting all of his eggs in the iowa basket, he has just picked up one of the key iowa
strategists, sarah huckby, daughter to the fox news host, and 2008 iowa caucus winner, has now joined the pawlenty team. pawlenty trails in the polls rather significantly. not a lot of cash. but sarah huckabee ought to help. alisyn: thank you for the info. bill: off to london we go for some chow! a brand new study calling into question a common and very expensive treatment for heart disease. is it worth the $20,000 price tag? our fox news medical a team weighs in.
alisyn: jay leno, using the casey anthony verdict for a jab at president obama. >> casey anthony, found not guilty. you know what this means? this means president obama's economic team is the second coolest most people in america. alisyn: bill: a joke in there somewhere, huh? >> alisyn: i guess. i feel guilty laughing at any casey anthony joke. it may be too early, i'm thinking? >> bill: border line? too early? great to be with you, short timer! alisyn: you too! i'll be filling in on "happening now" tomorrow. bill: you will? at this point tomorrow, i'll be tossing to you! >> alisyn: that's right, yes. tune in if that. bill: i know you look forward to that. bill: i'll seeyou next week "happening now" starts right now. jon: and alisyn, we have a place ready for you, breaking right